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Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 01, 2006, 03:15:09 PM
Hi guys,

I'm getting some moonlights done for my tank and I have up to 15 LEDS to use.  I know nothing about how how many ( I have 15) , so I was wondering if I could get some advice.

My tank is 48 gallon

40 x 16 x 20 (fairly tall)

The LEDs are from SeanC's group order, and I've got white substrate, black background and house mbuna - if any of that matters!

Thanks in advance,

Josh
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: Seanc on March 01, 2006, 03:23:57 PM
I used 1 per 6", it seemes to look good, I think you could go down to 5", or 4", I thik that would be a little bright though.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: Nelson on March 01, 2006, 03:30:48 PM
I have 8 in my fixture  - really gives a nice shimmering effect to the tank and also allows you to view your tank at night - but guess you already know that don't you :wink:
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 01, 2006, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: "Seanc"I used 1 per 6", it seemes to look good, I think you could go down to 5", or 4", I thik that would be a little bright though.

Interesting - is the depth of the tank a major factor?
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: Seanc on March 01, 2006, 03:49:04 PM
I think it would have a bit of a factor. Because the light gets wider, so it covers more, thats why you could probobly have more.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 01, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
Quote from: "Nelson"I have 8 in my fixture  - really gives a nice shimmering effect to the tank and also allows you to view your tank at night - but guess you already know that don't you :wink:

Any word on what the fish think of all of this? :D
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: Nelson on March 01, 2006, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: "blizzack1"
Quote from: "Nelson"I have 8 in my fixture  - really gives a nice shimmering effect to the tank and also allows you to view your tank at night - but guess you already know that don't you :wink:

Any word on what the fish think of all of this? :D

Actually I checked and only have 6 in my fixture - the fish haven't said anything to me about the moonlights but I can't imagine they're too upset about it....it's nothing more than moon light in their natural habitat.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: darkdep on March 02, 2006, 07:40:05 AM
I was talking to jgolden and he said he wishes he had put a few more in his fixture...Jeff, how far apart are your LED's again?
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: jgolden on March 02, 2006, 08:03:28 AM
Roughly 8" apart. I think 6" apart would be good. On a 48"X 16" hood, that should give you 15 LEDs, which will give you a uniform diffusion throughout the tank.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: darkdep on March 02, 2006, 08:19:20 AM
Is a single strip the way to go, or would it be useful to double up?
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 02, 2006, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: "Nelson"
Quote from: "blizzack1"
Quote from: "Nelson"I have 8 in my fixture  - really gives a nice shimmering effect to the tank and also allows you to view your tank at night - but guess you already know that don't you :wink:

Any word on what the fish think of all of this? :D

Actually I checked and only have 6 in my fixture - the fish haven't said anything to me about the moonlights but I can't imagine they're too upset about it....it's nothing more than moon light in their natural habitat.

I meant what did the fish have to say about being watched at night  :)
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 02, 2006, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: "jgolden"Roughly 8" apart. I think 6" apart would be good. On a 48"X 16" hood, that should give you 15 LEDs, which will give you a uniform diffusion throughout the tank.

I went with about 5.7 inches apart on mine - so a total of 7 on a 40" canopy.

6" apart on a 48" hood would give you 8, no?  Are you doubling them up or something?  Mine are all in a straight line in the middle of the tank...
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: sarahbella on March 02, 2006, 10:23:21 AM
does anyone have a pic of how this looks when its done??  
any pics of it being done??  
Do you use plain white LED's or has anyone used different colours (im interested in specifically blue if someone has pics) ??
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: Seanc on March 02, 2006, 10:52:44 AM
I have done blue, and I think their are other people who have don eblue too. You usualy use blue, because white whould make it like day.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: BigDaddy on March 02, 2006, 11:01:08 AM
I've seen blue, red and purple setups
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: jgolden on March 02, 2006, 11:23:29 AM
Quote from: "blizzack1"6" apart on a 48" hood would give you 8, no?  Are you doubling them up or something?  Mine are all in a straight line in the middle of the tank...
Actually, rather than going down the center of my hood, I went on the (inside) diameter, which gave me a calculated run of ~ 128". My first set was down the center with 5. I didn't like the spotlight effect that it had; the light also didn't difuse throughout the tank. By running them on the diameter (and placing them with slightly varying angles into the tank), I was able to get a much more even, more balanced effect, with little of that "spotlight" effect. that's why I was telling darkep that I should have gone with 15 LEDs rather than 10 - I could have further eliminated the spotlighting effect...
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 02, 2006, 11:40:38 AM
Quote from: "jgolden"
Quote from: "blizzack1"6" apart on a 48" hood would give you 8, no?  Are you doubling them up or something?  Mine are all in a straight line in the middle of the tank...
Actually, rather than going down the center of my hood, I went on the (inside) diameter, which gave me a calculated run of ~ 128". My first set was down the center with 5. I didn't like the spotlight effect that it had; the light also didn't difuse throughout the tank. By running them on the diameter (and placing them with slightly varying angles into the tank), I was able to get a much more even, more balanced effect, with little of that "spotlight" effect. that's why I was telling darkep that I should have gone with 15 LEDs rather than 10 - I could have further eliminated the spotlighting effect...

The concept you are going for is what I was hoping to achieve - ah well, live and learn.  I'm optimistic it will still be pleasing when its complete and not too spot-lightish.

Worst case, I'll just add some more!
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: az on March 03, 2006, 10:08:26 AM
i put 9 in your canopy Josh, 2 more than we agreed......

if too many, u may use a black tape to cover, u can install a switch too!
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: blizzack1 on March 03, 2006, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: "az"i put 9 in your canopy Josh, 2 more than we agreed......

if too many, u may use a black tape to cover, u can install a switch too!

Excellent, Sir.

I look forward to picking up the final product tonight between 5 and 7 (and removing what I'd been using as a make-shift canopy to make sure the fish don't jump out of the tank!

I went to Princess Auto and the salesman expressed his embarassment in not having any 12V adapter for my requirement... I'll have to try The Source tonight.  Fingers crossed.
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: az on March 03, 2006, 10:14:45 AM
ah, just go to Jervais electronics on industrial, they should have plenty arnd 16-18$!
Title: DIY MOONLIGHT
Post by: Sylvain-25 on March 03, 2006, 10:34:48 AM
What do you guys think of this setup ?


  http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_moonlight.php
Title: Re: DIY MOONLIGHT
Post by: blizzack1 on March 03, 2006, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: "Sylvain-25"What do you guys think of this setup ?


  http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_moonlight.php

Looks great, and fairly simple if you know what you're doing.

I don't, so I had someone that knew how to go the LED route do it for me... the method you're looking at would definetly distribute the light more evenly and avoid the spotlight effect and guess work aroudn how many LEDs to use.  

Not sure how they two compare in price, but at Princess Auto I saw some cathode rays, I think about one or two feet long for around 25$... don't quote me on that though.
Title: DIY MOONLIGHT
Post by: Sylvain-25 on March 03, 2006, 10:51:36 AM
As per the link below ,

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_moonlight.php

  I know a supplier in Downtown Ottawa that sell 2  12"Inches long Blue Cold Cathode for 14 $

+ You need a AC-DC adapter around 10 $


And your done !!
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: BigDaddy on March 03, 2006, 11:16:15 AM
You can get cold cathodes from most of the more popular computer shops downtown like oemexpress, pccyber, etc.....
Title: How Many LEDS
Post by: darkdep on March 03, 2006, 11:20:27 AM
That's pretty much exactly what I have on my 90.
Title: Cathode Ray
Post by: blizzack1 on March 03, 2006, 01:00:10 PM
OK, well, if anyone is still reading the thread here is an update.

I went with 9 LEDs for my 40" tank as mentioend, and they were staggered in the middle of the tank.

The result is certainly cool and enjoyable, but it is extremely spotlighty - almost too bright in some spots.

So, if you're looking for a nice, diffused setup, I'd recommend using a lot of LEDS but at lower power levels - I don't know if thise can be accomplished by a different power supply or using less bright LEDs.  I think the Cathode Ray may be the best bet in future.

In any case, its stil very enjoyable to watch - but the fish seem to fight more at night!