As the Dryer Turns ;-)

[dan2x38]

A couple of links that may interest you. The first link is to an inpectors' forum - it's the last post that really bothers me. The second link gives some info on the availablity of the unit.

http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_inspection/electrical-systems-home-inspection-commercial-inspection/13321-load-miser-good-bad.html

http://joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database/1228-Running-both-the-stove-and-the-clothes-dryer-on-one-electrical-line

I'd already read those thanks. These were used and are still in use today in Canada & U.S. they are not illegal and the ESA will not force you to remove them any where I read - at least for now. I read a fair bit on these and of course whatever it is out there you can always find something pro/con especially on the great Wide World Web of misinformation... LOL They are a viable solution for old homes when more and more appliances and electronics started becoming available the power didn't increase but people wanted to have the new gizmos available. They are CSA approved which is still acceptable in Canada far as I know? And yes they are becoming extinct but they are still for sale if you can find them. I was told the sell them at Rubby Electric. BUT since I no longer have a need for one this is all a moot point... If I'd learned of them before selling our unit and buying a new washer I would have set one up for sure - with a 30a box dryer side for extra safety! At just $30 it would be stupid not to do that in my eyes now.

And yes sorry that diagram wasn't the one I'd scene with a 30a box in it but it would be nothing to add on the dryer side of the Load Miser - to protect over loading. The device is called a 'Demand Controller' one vendor I found was 'Pioneer Electric'. Not sure if there were other manufacturers?

[Saltcreep]

From the second paragraph on Jon Eakes site ....

(Update: Federal Pioneer stopped making TLM Load misers in 2001 - now it is true that they no longer exist!)

[dan2x38]

From the second paragraph on Jon Eakes site ....

(Update: Federal Pioneer stopped making TLM Load misers in 2001 - now it is true that they no longer exist!)

LOL I didn't say they are still making them I read that and awesome it is true but they are still available and they are CSA approved. They don't make Fluval 303 or 304 anymore but you still but them in the box.

[Hookup]

Dan... just to jump on the busting your ****s band wagon...

They sell gun's too... doesn't make all uses of them legal... 

You're "it's to code" premiss seems to be based upon the fact that they are for sale.  I think it's how it's being use that is in question, not the existence of the device.

I wouldn't give you a hard time if I didn't think you could take it the right way... and I do know you can dish it out..

[Saltcreep]

'CSA approved' means nothing more than the product is engineered and built to standards developed by The Canadian Standards Association. Those standards assume that the product is being used as directed, and safely. Toasters, fryers, hair dryers, duplex outlets, light fixtures, power bars and baseboard heaters are all CSA approved and ALL have been known to start fires. Unfortunately, the CSA cannot control the actions of the end user. My uncle lost his house when my cousin left the toaster plugged in after making breakfast and then went out for the day. Was the toaster CSA approved? You bet. Did it start the fire? Without a doubt according to the FD. Not too long ago, I had a CFL twisty that was installed in our bathroom explode over my head. Actual flame about six inches long. Yep, the bulb was CSA approved. We also have to remember that standards change. The standards developed for this gizmo were done at least ten years ago as it hasn't been manufactured since then. Depending on how long it had been manufactured and sold, those standards could be fifteen or twenty years old.

[Iceman]

Electricity can kill you. Follow the latest codes and use the proper equipment and devices.

Need I say more?

[dan2x38]

My wife was in the kitchen a week ago and started screaming Dan the oven is on fire... I ran out the bottom element in the oven was burning through what a sparks and flame show. Any ways they changed the element and dinner was had out that night but oevn back up and running in time for Mother's Day. It was a wild show behind the oven door glass though.

How the hell does leaving a toaster plugged in become a bad thing?

Yes HookUp I can dish it out and can take it... never been one to veer away from a friendly debate. 

[White Lightning]

I would suggest going with a gas stove and dryer. Thats what we have and we love it. Cooking with gas is awesome. More ven heat distribution in my opinion.

[dan2x38]

I would suggest going with a gas stove and dryer. Thats what we have and we love it. Cooking with gas is awesome. More ven heat distribution in my opinion.

Not an option no gas available. besides already sold the unit and bought a new washer no room for a dryer now. Totally agree cooking with gas is superior.

[Saltcreep]

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How the hell does leaving a toaster plugged in become a bad thing?........

When something goes wrong with that 'approved', foolproof appliance and it starts a fire.

In the early days of large, instant-on colour TVs, they had a pretty bad rap too. Many were known to burst into flames because of the circuitry required to keep the picture tube ready to come on instantly. That's exactly what caused the fire that became one of the worst muck-outs I ever worked on with my father-in-law. I'm sure the TV would have been CSA & UL approved too. I will admit that I do leave our TVs and audio gear plugged in, but never, ever a small appliance like a toaster, grill, blender, hair dryer, small chargers that are not in use ...... the list goes on.

[dan2x38]

Wow I've always left all those things plugged in.

I am old enough to remember the Ralph Nater days all the appliances, toys, clothes, cars, etc. he got changed or removed from the market. Maybe we need another Nater these days?