Ich treatment?

[dan2x38]

I have gotten varying Internet info on salt Ich treatment... since this morning at 8am until now 10:30pm got my temp. up to 84-85f from 76-77f... I've added 5 tbsp (15 tsp) for 29g so far since his morning... the majority of articles say increase salt dosing to 3 tsp/gal. is this OK? I'm doing it gradually... also added aqua-sol, 12 drops/10 gal.

Does this sound on track? Any other suggestions? My 1st case of Ich? Can I use table salt? I've been using aquarium salt but almost out...

[zapisto]

first of all , what is your pop in the 29g ?
i never use salt to treat anything in my tank, becaus emost of the fish i was keeping would not support it.

usually a nice raise of the temp + some quick cure do the trick , sometime i dont even add anything beside water change and increase of temp and of course increase water movement.

good luck

[RossW]

Dan -

How goes your ich battle?

I think I also have ick... I have lost two fish in the last 24 hours and everything looks good chemical wise.  They are new fish to me, and I am not that familiar with their habits and appearances.  I am starting to suspect ick based on the ones which have died.  The healthy ones do not looke ick'y to me?

[kennyman]

wow 3tbs/gal is around where I keep my brackish tank! Most plants are not happy with that salinity. It is pretty close to 25% seawater as far as sodium levels go. Is this your planted tank?

[RossW]

wow 3tbs/gal is around where I keep my brackish tank! Most plants are not happy with that salinity. It is pretty close to 25% seawater as far as sodium levels go. Is this your planted tank?

I think Dan said 3tsp/gal, not tbs.

[babblefish1960]

i never use salt to treat anything in my tank, because most of the fish i was keeping would not support it.

usually a nice raise of the temp + some quick cure do the trick , sometime i dont even add anything beside water change and increase of temp and of course increase water movement.

This is all that I do as well and you may find that most serious breeders such as zapisto follow the old school of keep it simple and safe.

I do believe that this tank you mention is going through a setup cycle and that you added fish anyway. This is natural stress reaction to an unnatural situation.

[beowulf]

first of all , what is your pop in the 29g ?
i never use salt to treat anything in my tank, becaus emost of the fish i was keeping would not support it.

usually a nice raise of the temp + some quick cure do the trick , sometime i dont even add anything beside water change and increase of temp and of course increase water movement.

good luck

I did this also the one time I got ich on a fish.  Since the tank contained more then a few loaches, I had to be very careful on how I treated due to their lack of scales.

[kennyman]

I think Dan said 3tsp/gal, not tbs.

no wonder all my cookies taste funny.

is even that level of salinity ok for a densly planted tank like Dan's for the amount of time it takes to control ick pathogens though?

[babblefish1960]

No it is not, nor for some of the fish either, which is why it is best to use other methods such as zapisto stated.

[mseguin]

I prefer to use Aquarisol myself, as it is quite mild to the fish, just don't use it with inverts (although last time I used I heavily overdosed and my shrimp were fine.

[dan2x38]

first of all , what is your pop in the 29g ?
i never use salt to treat anything in my tank, becaus emost of the fish i was keeping would not support it.

usually a nice raise of the temp + some quick cure do the trick , sometime i dont even add anything beside water change and increase of temp and of course increase water movement.

good luck

4 silver tips, 2 platies, 1 neon gaurmai, 2 sterbai corys, 1 BN pelco

I had added 4 Red-Blue Cloumbian tetras...

As for plants this tank are: java fern, Aunbais nana, Rotala, polysperma, bronze cyrpt...

When I discoverd the ich I bumped up the temp. to 85f over 24 hrs. I increased the salt to 1 tsp/gal. over 24 hrs.

[dan2x38]

It's the 5th day no Ich on my other fish in the tank. Still got temp. at 85f... doing 50% WC daily replacing salt... not using aqua-sol... so far looks like only the 4 newcomers were infested... they've been returned...

very werid why did the whole tank not break out? I thought when 1 fish had Ich the whole would become infested?

[beowulf]

It's the 5th day no Ich on my other fish in the tank. Still got temp. at 85f... doing 50% WC daily replacing salt... not using aqua-sol... so far looks like only the 4 newcomers were infested... they've been returned...

very werid why did the whole tank not break out? I thought when 1 fish had Ich the whole would become infested?

The way I understand it, ich is always present and a normal stung immune system will fight it off.  These new guys were likely stressed from all the moving around and as such got it.

[dan2x38]

Day 6 tank still not showing any signs of Ich or strees.

BUT... Damn-It... must have been a net or even my hands but my main display with heavy planting shows Ich today my son spoted it...  Rasieing temp & adding salt & aqua-sol slowly almost up to full dose... When i got the other fish I acclimated them then netted them out of the bag... I think it had to be that net not rinsed well enough... OMG 

Been a couple stressful weeks...!!! 

Now I wait & WC...

[dan2x38]

Can we be hosts for the ich parisite? Can it be harmful to us?

Can garlic be used as a soak for flake food for Ich infected fish?

[MikeM]

Can we be hosts for the ich parisite? Can it be harmful to us?

No.  I can't find a reference which states that explicitly, but I did find an article on fish diseases transmitted to humans at aquarticles.  I would suspect that a human immune system would destroy the parasite easily, and it's probably not to fond of a warm-blooded host, we run far too hot for it.

[dan2x38]

Been treating Ich in my planted main display tank. Using heat/salt/aquari-sol. Fish showing very little evidence of Ich but it's still there... As mentioned my plants are suffering. Doing large WCs should I still be replacing the salt/aquari-sol? Still leave the temp. up? It's been 5 full days of treatment so far.

I've been stressed out but can only quess how stressed my poor fish are! 

[dan2x38]

I've already used aquari-sol with salt and increased temp. Many ppl have posted to use Super Ich Cure can I use it if aquari-sol is still in my tank? Want something easier on my plants.

I am also bring my DIY CO2 back online slowly... Is that OK? If so will turn on my 3rd light tube when the CO2 starts diffusing.

Any opinions?

[dan2x38]

Did some testing on the infested tank today: pH- 6.8, NH3- 1.0, NO2- 0, NO3- 5.0, PO4- 0.5, Cu- 0.25.

Why would the NH3 spike? I added Super Ick Cure 1/2 dose after last 40% WC last night. I added some Prime to detox NH3 after testing. Can you over dose with Prime or Aqua-Clear?

Today is 8th day yesterday fish did show Ich spots. Today the 6 banded barbs that were infested the worse showed no Ich spots.

[MikeM]

If you're using a Nessler-based ammonia test (the Hagen one is), Prime can cause a false positive for ammonia, especially if you test right after the water change.  I gather the Seachem one doesn't do this, but I haven't been able to find it anywhere.  Also, the bottle says Prime can be used at 5x the dosage to detox nitrite, so I wouldn't worry about overdosing it.