As the Dryer Turns ;-)

[dan2x38]

Recently opened a topic regarding a dryer hook-up in our new place and it wasn't received well. After some serious thought I decided to sell our washer/dryer combo requiring 220v. We decided to sell it online at UsedOttawa & Kiiji then buy a new washer with the proceeds. We will have to use the local laundromat to dry but at least we cut the cost in 1/2. Figure it will pay for it's self in no time. Just finished ordering the new washer online from Futureshop - ain't technology grand?  Same as ain't those free sites to list stuff for sale cool? What a strange and wonderful World we live in... 

PS- we approached our LL and asked if we paid for a hook-up would he be OK with that and we'd also pay to have it removed if we move... he said, "No".

[Dekker500]

You can also look for 120v dryers

http://www.homedepot.ca/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?D=934256&Ntt=934256&catalogId=10051&langId=-15&storeId=10051&Dx=mode+matchallpartial&Ntx=mode+matchall&recN=112225&N=0&Ntk=P_PartNumber

Might make life easier...

[Saltcreep]

Way to go Dan - smart move. I wonder about a landlord that would say "No" to an obvious improvement at no cost to himself. Strange.

[Darth]

could be maybe the ll did some work himself that was not up to code, and doesnt want a lic elec seeing this or as dan said previously the breaker unit is in someone esles apt. amd doesmt want to bother the other tennants. Either way glad to see you are going to be safe and get a different unit =)

[Saltcreep]

Could also be an issue with requiring a floor drain when creating a laundry area. Guess he has his reasons.

[dan2x38]

Could also be an issue with requiring a floor drain when creating a laundry area. Guess he has his reasons.

reason = bonehead LOL

I saw the electric boxes they are in a separate basement area but you have to gain access through the other tenants apt. I suspect what Darth said seriously... the stove box looks like a 30 amp box with 2 x 20 amp fuses instead of 15s? When I was researching I did not see 40 amp boxes but did see 30 amp boxes. Boxes with higher rating were larger panels with like 4 empty slots for breakers either single117  or ganged for 220. The rest of the stuff looks OK (I guess) but the wiring it's self here inside the walls is the old cloth casing with rubber core stuff... Plus there is no grounds on the 117 outlets. He added 3 prong plugs on our request I told him about my aquarium and all the stuff we have with ground plugs. I explained I didn't want to use adapters to 2 prong or cut my grounds off. So this place isn't up to code like many old places. But this is a great place we love the local and do not want to move for a very long time!!!

[Saltcreep]

Wow, that sucks, no grounding circuit. The good news is you can still use a GFCI receptacle for your tanks.

http://www.diychatroom.com/f18/can-gfi-work-no-ground-wire-43549/

[dan2x38]

Yeah I was able to negotiate GFCI receptacles which is better than nothing. if he didn't put them in I was going to b/c here we are electrically challenged... LOL In the 2 bedrooms there is only one outlet. In my son's room he has a PC with good speakers + sub woofer, PS3, Flat Panel TV, A/C, lamp and the rest so one receptacle was tricky and it was in the wrong place. I had to run power to the other side of the room and extension cords are not cool. I bought a heavy duty 3 prone flat plug ($10), 14/2 wire, electric staples, and baseboard 3 prong outlet ($10) - they sit on top of the baseboard. Any ways I wired it stapled in place then used quality power bars to power everything. This is plugged into a GFCI outlet.

In our room the outlet is on the right wall we have no game system but wife has her PC, TV, speakers, phone, lamp, alarm clock, A/C, etc... it is not an electrical dream. BUT this is a fantastic old place with a fireplace, high ceilings, refinished hardwood floors, big front porch, backyard and more pluses! Wife has already planed flours with the young lad and I added some grass seed and we're doing some more this weekend. Our son plays hockey here so all his buddies are much closer. The dog loves it too. We use to live in Centretown and looking outside a common view was of hookers, crackheads, Johns - the wife never liked walking anywhere plus a walk occasionally revealed used syringes and/or prophylactics, broken bottles, empty Scoop bottles or whatever... so moving here is like night & day... a few minus' but they out weigh the rest hands down... OH and the rent works out close to the same.

[dan2x38]

Here is an interesting article related to power outlets. It also includes a discussion on something I was looking for but didn't know it existed a 'Load Miser'. It is not illegal but not common any longer since the ESA really doesn't like them but not against code from what I could find out. There is suppose to be a place locally that sells them but I forget the name the guy who told me about them will reply with the name shortly I am interested in learning more about them. Anyone heard of these? I did some reading on them already seems like a viable solution to power problems in older homes. Especially for those looking to prevent issues with heavy power draws for whatever reason i.e. major s/w setup.

This is the link:

http://www.discoverhorizon.com/hrb/article.aspx?ASKID=552&DROPDOWN=5909

http://www.discoverhorizon.com/hrb/article.aspx?ASKID=552&DROPDOWN=5909

[Hookup]

Here is an interesting article related to power outlets. It also includes a discussion on something I was looking for but didn't know it existed a 'Load Miser'. It is not illegal but not common any longer since the ESA really doesn't like them but not against code from what I could find out. There is suppose to be a place locally that sells them but I forget the name the guy who told me about them will reply with the name shortly I am interested in learning more about them. Anyone heard of these? I did some reading on them already seems like a viable solution to power problems in older homes. Especially for those looking to prevent issues with heavy power draws for whatever reason i.e. major s/w setup.

This is the link:

http://www.discoverhorizon.com/hrb/article.aspx?ASKID=552&DROPDOWN=5909

http://www.discoverhorizon.com/hrb/article.aspx?ASKID=552&DROPDOWN=5909

Cool device, however would say that the diagram supplied would be illegal by code.  I cannot quote page number, but the text as I understand it says that the stove must be on it's own circuit.  In this case the heater and the miser thingy are on the circuit as well and therefore the stove is not on it's own circuit.

I'd want to see the code book for sure (i'm sure someone has it on-line here?) and see exactly how it is worded before making any firm statement on the legality or not.

That said, it looks like a safe concept and a pretty good one for solving some costly wiring issues.  Neat toy and thanks for sharing.. never know when that kind of device will be needed so i'm adding that to my bag-o-tricks..

[Saltcreep]

Interesting, but I don't see how it would solve your particular problem. Also, from what I can see from the diagram, there is still the issue of a 30A appliance being protected by a 40A breaker. Yes, it does say "30A Disconnect Switch', but all that tells me is the switch is rated for 30A - it says nothing about a breaker. Speaking only for myself here - if the ESA doesn't 'like' them for some particular reason, I wouldn't use one. As I said in another post, the ESA and other bodies make these recommendations, and impose restrictions for a reason - to keep me and mine alive, and to keep fire away. Sometimes it takes us a while for us to realize that when someone says 'it's for your own good and safety', it really is and we should listen. I liken it to things like mandatory seatbelt use and DRLs on vehicles. I've had more than one American tell me that "if they ever put DRLs on our cars, I'll cut the wires". Probably the same people that refuse to wear seatbelts. Of course, most of the time I spend in the US is in The Redneck Riviera.

[dan2x38]

What I thought is cool you can set it from 1 - 100 amps. So excluding dry vr. stove issue it could be used for a room over loaded where you have a large tank setup like s/w with a lot of power drain including home theater,lights, laptop etc. You could attach a heavy duty Balkin power bar/s  set the power for that side of the switch. Like you say there could be several applications.

The person who bought our washer/dyer unit told me about the device. I will post the local vendor when he replies.

I do hear ya on the dual appliances on the one circuit but I think the load miser makes it complaint. At least what I read to date said it does?

[JetJumper]

I've had more than one American tell me that "if they ever put DRLs on our cars, I'll cut the wires". Probably the same people that refuse to wear seatbelts.

Or you can just get Mercedes to reprogram the computer on your car (I had a smart car for a while) to turn them off  
But as you said it would be typical for me because I don't wear a seat belt.

[Saltcreep]

............I do hear ya on the dual appliances on the one circuit but I think the load miser makes it complaint. At least what I read to date said it does?

Except for the 30A appliance on a 40A circuit.

[veron]

In having to deal with ESA on a regular basis, If they don't ''like'' something as mentioned then I wouldn't use it.
Also, stoves,dryers,fridges, microwaves are indeed supposed to be on seperate circuits by code.

[Saltcreep]

...............I'd want to see the code book for sure (i'm sure someone has it on-line here?) and see exactly how it is worded before making any firm statement on the legality or not.............
.

I just spent a while looking for a download- no luck. You can buy a copy of the book in soft cover - only $210.00, amendments and updates extra. 

[dan2x38]

Except for the 30A appliance on a 40A circuit.

I hear that but in the diagram they install a ($30) 30a box. The guy I was talking to told me the Load Miser here in town was $120. This is just research I sold or washer/dyer (220v) unit last night and last week we took delivery of a new washer (110v). This is a viable solution to several issues with old homes with low service power.

The landlord I spoke with last night only has a 60a service for the apartment he is adding it in. He is installing a load miser.

[Saltcreep]

I hear that but in the diagram they install a ($30) 30a box. The guy I was talking to told me the Load Miser here in town was $120. This is just research I sold or washer/dyer (220v) unit last night and last week we took delivery of a new washer (110v). This is a viable solution to several issues with old homes with low service power.

The landlord I spoke with last night only has a 60a service for the apartment he is adding it in. He is installing a load miser.

Sorry, but I don't see the diagram that shows 30A protection for the dryer. In the one I do see, even if there was a breaker in the 'disconnect box', it would still be two breakers on one circuit. I don't think you can do that. Maybe that's why the ESA doesn't like them.

[dan2x38]

Just got the e-mail from the guy who told me about them:

Westburne Ruddy Electric
1175 Newmarket St
Ottawa, ON K1B 3V1

[Saltcreep]

A couple of links that may interest you. The first link is to an inpectors' forum - it's the last post that really bothers me. The second link gives some info on the availablity of the unit.

http://www.inspectionnews.net/home_inspection/electrical-systems-home-inspection-commercial-inspection/13321-load-miser-good-bad.html

http://joneakes.com/jons-fixit-database/1228-Running-both-the-stove-and-the-clothes-dryer-on-one-electrical-line